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3rd Traders International review delivers harsh blow

For the 3rd time in a row the Traders International – Eminis Lifetime Membership has been given a 1 star rating.

How does Traders International work?
Being a Traders International member gives you exclusive access to professional Eminis traders delivering you entry and exit signals for the Eminis S&P 500. It’s a bit like an automated Forex robot for Eminis (but without the automation).

Why so many bad reviews?
With it’s hefty price tag ($7,250) I’m guessing existing or current members are expecting a full proof solution to making money using Eminis… so disappointments will be amplified which is probably the reason for all the poor ratings. If you have a different view on Traders International, please post it here.

Are Eminis that difficult to trade?
As I don’t trade Eminis myself, I asked a professional Eminis trader I know if he had a view on Traders International… Unfortunately, he didn’t, but instead told me this:

“Trading Eminis is that same as trading any other derivative like Futures or Options. You just need to know how the market and contracts work. The principles are still the same… if you have a system that works, are disciplined and in control emotionally… you can profit consistently.”

We list several Emini Trading Systems on TradingSystemsRated.com as DIY alternatives to Traders International. Our two most popluar (and much more affordable) are:

The Power Futures Strategy ($47)
The 3-Minute E-Mini Trading System ($129)
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44 Responses to ” 3rd Traders International review delivers harsh blow ”

  1. Richard says:

    I have been backtesting the TI system for more than 6 months on a daily basis. Unfortunately, I was not able to make consistent profits. They are using the Stochastic indicator and the MACD. For me, it works “best” with the Stochastic set to 3/6/4 (D/K/smooth) and the standard MACD settings (12/26/9). I used two charts, 233 und 377 ticks. However, as you take reversal signals against the trend most of the time, you will find out that maybe only 50% will actually turn into winners on the ES. The system dos not really work on the YM and the NQ, only the ES, but with many losing trades!! Another issue is the accuracy of the data. Real time tick data is different than historical tick data. You will find many valid signals with historical data, but once you go “live”, you will see trading signal which turn into losers, and when you reload the historical data, you find out that you did not even have a valid signal when you entered the market. This is the problem with the Stochastics set too sensitive, but you need the settings to get the signals.
    Here is my opinion. Stay away from Traders International’s trading system, and certainly don’t pay the horrendous amount for their 5 weeks training!! It’s not worth it. You end up pulling your hair out.

  2. conor says:

    Comment Removed.

  3. sam says:

    if you take their signal only when a new low or high is created frm the last 60 minutes or so,then the signal is more accurate.He teaches you guys wrong because not every signal the reverses witll move in the new direction.Those previous low or highs neeed to be broken first.This keep you away from trading in a wedge or consolidation.Also he doesnt explain,(maybe he doesnt know) that there are different times in teh day session that are more accurrate.In other words mavaoid the 11:30 to 2:00pm times and dont trade a signal on the hour 9:00,9:30 10:00 am etc.

  4. Steve says:

    TO RICHARD:
    I chose Traders International after doing my homework very carefully for several years and have been beyond satisfied with the results. I don’t understand Richard’s comments at all. He has no clue about what exactly Traders International does and achieves in the real time market before hundreds of members. At TI, you are dealing with Pro’s who are calling the trades and mark them on the chart in advance. They do not need you to back test their trading methodology. You are there to learn and achieve similar results. What makes you qualified to back test the work of team of top professionals? Some of the best in the business. Have you ever bothered to witness the results achieved in front of several hundred people every day? I said in front of. During my membership I have not experienced anything but many more winners compared to an occasional give back.
    Look at the monthly results they achieve live in the TI trading room. Last month’s total was 53 points ($2650 per contract) and every trade entry and exit was called in advance. I believe you have no clue what you are doing but I do know you are simply ignoring the results achieved live every day. When everything in the trading room is done live and the results are posted directly on the website, why do you want to manipulate their parameters and back test? I think that is insane. Isn’t making money live the best forward testing you can do? Have you seen their real time results (not back tested, no hind sight) for the past 3 years posted? Are you a competitor trying to spread lies about a reputable trading school that runs the largest e-mini trading room in the world because you can’t compete? Why don’t you join the trading room to make some money like other thousands of members? People don’t need to follow your ill advice when they can try and see it live and free, several times a week, to make their own decision.

  5. conor says:

    Comment Removed.

  6. neil says:

    TI is a racket. Sad that Conor says that,I remember him in there and he used to paper trade for Kazden with the SAR. I was once booted out on the room because I was loosing money trading real money unlike most that demo trade right before Afshin came into the room with prospective,we would give our daily tally to impress the “new” clients. We couldnt even PM with other members,Google TI and see what others think of them. Kazden also had some personal issues of insulting others when things were not going his way or when he was not patted on his back for good trades.

  7. Steve says:

    This one post is in response to Connor’s several posts.
    Suggest you read every word Connor so you will know how you made it clear you are incapable of telling the truth.
    Sometimes you come across someone who makes up stuff out of whole cloth with not a single bit of it based in truth. Unfortunately Connor fits that bill. They do it for a variety of reasons. Sometimes because they want to start their own business and set out to attack what they see as competition. Sometimes because they are just plain angry because their own actions caused them to fail and they are the kind who never take responsibility for their own actions. It’s clear Connor fits that bill. He is really seriously angry at himself and is attempting to strike out which can’t work in the face of the facts.
    What is important to anyone reading his posts is that it is possible to expose him with proof and fact.
    First, I am a student member of Traders International and have been for some time. I make my living doing this full time very successfully because of the teaching and training I have received from the best. This kind of financial freedom has no price.
    I am not an employee of Traders and have no idea what you are talking about when you refer to my post as a sales pitch. My post is simply to set the record straight by exposing that you have not been able to tell a word of truth or fact. I am simply responding with the truth based on provable facts which people deserve to have.
    Here is the first proof that what Connor has made up has no basis in fact or truth and is a fabricated post from first word to last.

    LIE #1 CLAIMING HE HAS BEEN REQUESTING AND DENIED A REFUND FOR THE LAST 6 MOS. Before my enrollment, I, LIKE EVERYONE WHO EVER JOINED TRADERS INTERNATIONAL, signed an agreement that clearly stated that after the training materials are revealed to me there is no refund policy. THE PAYMENT CLAUSE IS ON THE FIRST PAGE AND IS NOT BURIED ANYWHERE which explains after the course materials are revealed, no refund will be given for the tuition paid. You cannot take a course in college and then ask for your tuition to be refunded. I don’t understand why Connor ignores his agreement and pretends that it doesn’t exist. Refund policy on the first page Connor. First page.
    But here’s the real clue to his lies. He says he has been trying for 6 mos. to get a refund. IF THE FIRST PAGE OF THE CONTRACT HE SIGNED SAID NO REFUND, THEN THE FIRST TIME HE CALLED HE WOULD HAVE BEEN REFERED TO THE CONTRACT HE SIGNED AND THE FRONT PAGE.

    THEN WHY WOULD THIS GUY SAY HE TRIED FOR 6 MOS. TO GET A REFUND? THREATENED WITH LEGAL ACTION? FOR WHAT EXACTLY? YOU DIDN’T GET A REFUND BECAUSE YOU SIGNED A CONTRACT THAT SAID NO REFUND SO WHAT WOULD THEY BE THREATENING LEGAL ACTION FOR? AND IF YOU GOT THE COURSE (WHICH IS DOUBTFUL) THEN YOU PAID FOR IT AND THEY HAD YOUR MONEY. LEGAL ACTION FOR WHAT?????

    Make sense to anyone? Not a chance.

    LIE #2 METHODOLOGY CHANGED – The reason that Traders International has grown so much and has the largest trading room in the world is because they always developing cutting edge trading techniques. The reason that they come up with new updates is to address the market’s dynamic changes.
    It looks like Connor thinks that the market NEVER changes – just stays status quo. That the market is the same today as it was a year ago. Just gotta laugh in disbelief at his showing such total ignorance. Any training company worth it’s salt has to consistently come up with new trading techniques to keep pace with the market. Could this guy be possibly serious with lie #2?
    Connor shows a really shocking lack of knowledge about the market which is undoubtedly the reason he failed while thousands have succeeded.
    LIE #3 NOT ONE TRAINEE MAKING CONSISTENT PROFITS – Traders International has been in business for 11 years and does business in many countries. Professional sources have recognized that TI is one of the top Emini training companies in the world.
    It is beyond obvious that Connor has told not just a lie with this one but now is the guy without any clothes – totally exposed.
    Top business magazines have recognized Traders International as one of the top companies in the world in it’s field. Ditto stock publications that have awarded TI recognition for the great company it is.
    Proof? Here are 2 excerpts from the Sept. 2009 issue of Inc. magazine:
    Q: Traders International’s method has made money since the collapse of the market in
    October of 2007, a time when many were losing money. How?
    A. One of the most important reasons is because we are scientists of the markets. We constantly research the markets and test different trading methods to find the most profitable strategies. This enables us to construct the best methods because they’re based on proven research. Second, it doesn’t matter to us if the market goes up or down; we can trade profitably either way. Third, we don’t care what the market is going to do tomorrow, next week or next year. We are literally
    in and out of our trades in minutes.

    Q: What sort of person might consider trading?
    A. Who should not consider trading is anyone looking for a get-rich-quick idea or who is not willing to put in the effort to learn. It’s no different than anything valuable in life; it requires practice to succeed.

    So Connor, you are accusing Inc. Magazine of publishing lies? And top stock market publications also of lying? Because they have recognized the huge 11 year success TI has had?

    Are you suggesting this national verification of who and what Traders is by top publications came because no one succeeded? I have seen stupidity displayed before but this would take the cake.

    To anyone reading this post after reading Connor’s you now know there is nothing in his post that is truthful. Not with outside proof coming from outside reputable sources. I have been trading for a few years and I am in both rooms every day. No poll by Rich Malcolm ever occurred. His accusations re: Rich and Dale Kazdan are completely fabricated and never occurred. This is pure libel for which there are legal consequences. Think you can hide when you post? You can’t. You would be very wise to consider this. These men are men of integrity and deep caring for their students and I have been the recipient of that.

    Eleven years in business, in 14 countries, awarded and recognized by well known publications? This could never have occurred if your accusations re: Rich Malcom and Dale Kazden were true. The company would have failed obviously.

    The founder is a man respected around the world for his integrity and knowledge and he has been recognized as such. He is invited to speak around the world. I trade the whole session so at the end those in the trading rooms post their results. It is laughable to suggest no one ever succeeds. 53 points in Sept. and 47.25 points in Oct. For those of you who are not familiar with Emini trading you trade with a $1000 contract or multiples thereof. You earn $50 per point per contract. That would have been $2650 for each $1000 contract you traded in Sept. (more than double profits) and $2362.50 for each contract in Oct. You would have made significant profit if you only traded part of the time and only traded 1 contract.

    LIE #4 PAY MORE FOR A SIGNAL? – This one is just pure craziness and is absolute proof that this guy who calls himself Connor has lied from start to finish. The following is printed everywhere. It is repeated many times a month in the trading rooms. ONCE YOU PAY FOR THE COURSE YOU NEVER PAY ANOTHER CENT AGAIN. IF THE COURSE IS UPGRADED YOU GET THE UPGRADES FREE FOR LIFE. IF NEW SIGNALS ARE ADDED – AND THEY ARE CONSISTENTLY TO KEEP UP WITH MARKET CHANGES – YOU ARE NEVER AND I EMPHASIZE NEVER CHARGED ANY ADDITIONAL MONIES. I have never been charged a red cent for upgrades to the course or for NEW signals nor has anyone else.

    NOW TO PUT THIS LIE IN THE SPOTLIGHT I WILL KEEP THIS IN CAPS AND HOPE THAT IT TRANSLATES WHEN I PUT THIS POST UP. PAY MORE FOR A SIGNAL?????????

    ATTENTION ATTENTION. TRADERS INTERNATIONAL OPENED THEIR NEW FOREX TRADING ROOM 3 MONTHS AGO AND IT HAS TAKEN EVERYONE BY STORM. WHAT DOES IT COST? SINCE CONNOR ACCUSES THE COMPANY OF CHARGING MORE MONEY JUST FOR A SINGLE NEW SIGNAL?

    WELL CONNOR IT’S FREE TO EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS EVER PURCHASED THE EMINI COURSE IN THE LAST 11 YEARS. FREE CONNOR. FREE. THEY ARE NOT CHARGING FOR A WHOLE NEW COURSE TO LEARN, ALL THE TEACHING, ALL THE SUPPORT, ALL THE ACCESS TO LIVE HELP, DAILY ACCESS TO THE TRADING ROOM.

    THIS IS WHO AND WHAT TRADERS IS. A COMPANY THAT CARES DEEPLY ABOUT THE SUCCESS OF IT’S STUDENT/MEMBERS. THEY AREN’T CHARGING FOR THE NEW FOREX COURSE OR TRADING ROOM TO ANY EXISTING MEMBERS. AND THEY FOR SURE ARE NOT AND HAVE NEVER CHARGED FOR A SINGLE NEW SIGNAL.

    THIS MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. THEY DON’T CHARGE FOR A WHOLE NEW COURSE, ALL THE SUPPORT HELP AND TEACHING, TOTAL ACCESS TO THE NEW TRADING ROOM BUT THEY CHARGE FOR ONE NEW SIGNAL??

    IT’S TIME FOR YOU TO COME UP WITH WHAT YOU RECEIVED FROM TRADERS LIKE AN EMAIL THAT PROVES YOU WERE CHARGED FOR A NEW SIGNAL.

    ABOUT THE NEW FOREX ROOM. I HAVE SEEN MANY IN THE EMINI TRADING ROOM POST ON THE CHAT BOARD THAT THEIR RESULTS/PROFITS ARE BEYOND WHAT THEY EXPECTED AND REALLY EXCITING AND THEY ARE TRADING IN BOTH ROOMS. THEY ARE ALL SAYING THAT THE MODERATOR IS AMAZING.

    SO, CONNOR, THEY NOT ONLY HAVE THE LARGEST TRADING ROOM IN THE WORLD AND HAVE BEEN RECOGNIZED BY WELL-KNOWN 3RD PARTIES AT THE TOP OF ALL EMINI TRADING COURSES AND SUCCESSFULLY IN BUSINESS FOR 11 YEARS BUT NOW THEY ARE ON THEIR WAY TO HAVING ONE OF THE MOST SUCCESSFUL FOREX TRADING ROOMS.

    LIE #5 A TRADER BEING MISLED BY A TRAINER/MODERATOR –
    The trainer/moderators do not know how many contracts any single trader has decided to trade. How could they? There’s no mechanism for this.

    But what they do is every single day remind every single trader to be conservative – to earn the right to trade more contracts by a lot of practice in simulation and not to trade multiple contracts until you have built up a lot of experience and confidence. And never use your own money beyond your first contract to purchase more contracts – to use your profits to do that.

    Frankly, I get a little irritated with how much it is repeated in every trading session. The moderators constantly say ‘If you have profits go into capital preservation mode – don’t risk your profits – don’t get greedy’. They suggest this with as little as one pt. a day. With 2 they get insistent. So if people chose to trade multiple contracts and go for more points then it is entirely their choice and responsibility.

    The only job of the room moderator is to use their expertise to see a signal which says a trade is shaping up and then to call it.

    It is the trader who decides how much money/contracts they trade in any given trade. It is 100% the traders responsibility. But it’s clear to all Connor that you take responsibility for nothing. Your failure is your own and no one else’s.

    It is pretty clear you never were involved with Traders International in any way, shape or form since your post shows a total lack of knowledge about the company.

    Do we have losing trades? Of course. Do we have more winners than losers? The month end results prove that we do and have for many years and that if we have a losing day it is the month end that determines what we have done.

    With 53 pts. in Sept. and 47.25 in Oct. and all the winning months before that at $50 per point per contract, the proof that we win at the end of the month is mathematical fact. That you can’t dispute no matter how hard you try.

    Connor proves that he not only does not have a clue about what he is talking about but that he has not told the truth with anything he has had to say.

    I have to ask Connor how you came to the conclusion that people are so dumb, stupid and incapable of coming to obvious conclusions when the facts are presented.

    For the record, I trade full-time with Traders International where I am very very successful – as so many are. I am just one of many thousands of very happy, very satisfied student members of Traders International.

    Before you embarrass yourself again in any other posts that make no sense at all re: anything, you might want to try to understand the difference between a sales pitch and giving people the opportunity to hear the truth. I am just setting the record straight – by presenting the facts.

    If it were a sales pitch I would be employed by the company – which I am not. I would be aiming to get names and email addresses so I could follow-up. Do you see that happening anywhere?

    Put the evidence that you were ever charged for a new signal in front of us all to see for starters and then give some proof of how a company succeeds for 11 years if not a single student every made consistent profits?

    I’ll be waiting…

  8. Steve says:

    To Neil:
    You and Connor sound like one and the same. If you couldn’t communicate with anyone then you would not have known that Connor was in the room trading in simulation. Such info on what an individual traders is doing is their business and theirs only.

    Your craziness sounds exactly like Connor. Exactly. Kicked out of a room because you were losing money??? THE MODERATOR WOULD HAVE NEVER KNOWN. TRADERS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR BANK ACCOUNT, YOUR TRADING ACCOUNT OR WHAT TRADES YOU PLACE ON ANY DAY. YOUR BROKER – NEIL/CONNOR – IS THE ONLY ONE WITH THAT INFO.

    So to be perfectly clear, the moderator does not know how many contracts any trader trades so they do not have a clue about who is making a profit or not.

  9. conor says:

    Comment Removed.

  10. neil says:

    Actually we posted out PL for the day when Afsin and his prospectus clients came into the room around closing. BTW,Conor I recall is in Australia and I am in the USA gladly show you my ip address so you can compare. I got nothing to prove about TI,complaints file with the NFA and just doing a Google proves its track record. I am saving the money and headaches/heartaches of prospectus clients to stay clear of these charlatans and hopefully other trading rooms! BTW Steve,if thats your real name,you are not John Ford or another cronie from Down under?? Kazdan was doing the SAR startegy with him along with our calls
    and Connor was in demo,because IT WAS BEING TESTED!
    I was kicked out of the room because my PL was showing losses,I was LIVE while the guys that made money were SIMMING,obviously that doesnt look good for a PRODUCT THAT YOU ARE SELLING,NOW DOES IT? Do you understand ENglish?? Of course no ones knows our PL except our broker and ouselves unless we volunterly post it…Ka peche.
    DOES MY WRITING STYLE MATCH CONNORS??? NO!!!! I GUESS YOU WERE WRONG YOU TI DISCIPLE OR CHARLATAN…OR SHOULD I SAY MADOFF JR CRONIE!

    GOT A CONSCIENCE?? OR IS IT FULL OF LIES ,DECEIT AND GREED??

  11. Steve says:

    For the record Connor/Neil you sound EXACTLY alike and now there is no doubt you are one and the same. Interesting how you just happened to post the last 2 rambling raging posts right on top of each other. Really interesting.

    This I know for sure. It would be unkind to suggest that Connor/Neil is uneducated by his complete failure to write a gramatical, intelligent post backed up with proveable facts instead of a maniacle screw loose raging piece. So I won’t do that.

    This I also know for sure. No person older than 8 would ever take seriously a bunch of raging posts and believe the poster had any thing of value or fact to convery.

    I would have thought Connor/Neil that you might have been intelligent enough to know you would cause anyone reading any of your posts to recoil and immediately form an opinion that anything you had to say had no value and certainly no truth to it.

    Are you really this stupid to present yourself as you have and think anyone would take you seriously?

    To anyone reading this thread (and there appear to be very few), my previous answer to Connor/Neil presents facts and solid concrete proof. Proof. No where does Connor/Neil provide any proof to back up his angry, unfounded incoherent ramblings.

    I repeat a tiny part of my post here that is both fact and proof of what I say:

    “Top business magazines have recognized Traders International as one of the top companies in the world in it’s field. Ditto stock publications that have awarded TI recognition for the great company it is.

    Proof? Here are 2 excerpts from the Sept. 2009 issue of Inc. magazine:

    Q: Traders International’s method has made money since the collapse of the market in
    October of 2007, a time when many were losing money. How?

    A. One of the most important reasons is because we are scientists of the markets. We constantly research the markets and test different trading methods to find the most profitable strategies. This enables us to construct the best methods because they’re based on proven research. Second, it doesn’t matter to us if the market goes up or down; we can trade profitably either way. Third, we don’t care what the market is going to do tomorrow, next week or next year. We are literally in and out of our trades in minutes.

    Q: What sort of person might consider trading?

    A. Who should not consider trading is anyone looking for a get-rich-quick idea or who is not willing to put in the effort to learn. It’s no different than anything valuable in life; it requires practice to succeed. ”

    “So Connor, you are accusing Inc. Magazine of publishing lies? And top stock market publications who have awarded Traders International as one of the top companies in the world in it’s field also of lying? Because they have recognized the huge 11 year success TI has had? ”

    “Are you suggesting this national verification of who Traders is by top publications came because no one succeeded? I have seen stupidity displayed before but this would take the cake.”

    When you lie Connor/Neil, you risk getting exposed. And you are exposed, standing without so much as a pair of socks on to anyone who might have followed this thread.

    Why would you do that if you had a brain in your head?

  12. conor says:

    Comment Removed.

  13. AK says:

    Ok, so I’ve read most of the posts here and here’s my two cents worth. Steve, I know you are a TI Distributor or somehow affiliated with the company. So, please spare us the psycho babble and stop defending a company and more importantly a system that simply does not work. I am an exTI member myself from back in 2007 and I was only with them for just over 6 months and knew that I’ve been taken for a ride by which time, it was too late for me to recover any of my money.

    Now, even though Rich Malcolm is a decent guy, he is no Pro Trader. In fact he was a student just like us but because of his voice and speaking capabilities, Afshin offered him the moderating job. I’m sorry to say it but he can’t trade for peanuts.

    Dale and his room is another story. The fact that Dale does his own thing and does not follow TI signals should tell you a lot about TI signals in general. Now, I’m not saying that Dale can trade, in fact he’s just as bad as the rest of them, but simply refusing to trade the TI signals in his room should ring alarm bells, left, right and center.

    Here’s what I think about TI. TI is a Ponzi scheme because they need a constant inflow of new members in order to keep the company as a going concern! Seriously, they are that bad. I’m really hoping that the word gets out and that people keep their hard earned dollars in tact and not fall for this scam.

    I’ve tried my hardest to raise alarm bells during Afshin’s live webinars but I got kicked out after a while and have been blacklisted and unable to enter the room anymore.

    Stay away from TI if you don’t want to be disappointed and left high and dry. Or, you can listen to Steve and join and find out the hard way. But do your homework first and check out other forums or just Google, Traders International Reviews and make your own judgment.

    Stay Sharp!

  14. TxTryder says:

    I AM a current member of TI and am happy to have had the education. But, beyond that … forget it. The rooms are dysfunctional, and the moderators barely call Trades. When they do … they mostly do NOT work, regardless of what they may report.

    The so-called “Trades of the Day” are NOT Live. The Moderators do NOT trade live, at least not up until recently. When Dale attempted to do so … (because so great was the demand) … he failed miserably and then quit, due to a number of “technical” problems supposedly. The 24/5 or main TI Room is very much basic training whereas the “Pro” room, presumably “advanced” as the name would suggest, was later renamed to the “Signal” room as Dale wouldn’t teach or follow basic TI (mes) method. He didn’t feel like he had to explain himself in his moderating or trading and we were left to learn thru “osmosis”.

    Well … apparently that has finally come back to bite him, as he has been Relieved of his “moderating” duties as of beginning of the year 2010 . Not only that, but TI has decided to shut down the Pro / Signal room altogther. Why … daily room attendance down in the 50’s sometimes lower. WHY??? Use your imagination. Most of what others have said is true.

    So Dale now is recruiting “students’ to teach his “Blister” trading – a methodology which btw, Rich, the other moderator, is extremely opposed to. Dale offers this extreme course for an additional $1000 or so. Many members wondering WHY he wouldn’t teach these “advanced” or any other methods before to those of us having already paid for the education. Apparently Dale will now continue to stay on with TI in other capacities and will thusly supplement his income with his private “for-pay” classes. That may Stop tho, if and/or when Afshin realizes what he is actually teaching …

    The Forex room however, IS wonderful … and Afshin VERY fortunate to have found its moderator, who does truely trade LIVE, which is most impressive.. He had to do something to stop the “bleeding”. It seems like the original intention may have been to charge extra or separately, but guess that wouldn’t go over too well now, especially with the low performance and the shutting down of the extrememly dysfunctional “Pro” room..

    So, I don’t know WHO Steve is and/or what his ulterior motive might be in such great defense of TI … but he is WRONG for the most part !! I had learned a lot in the beginning , but have had to go elsewhere to continue my education towards success. As for the “results” that are reported in the Rooms or Daily … Sorry! I’m pretty sure they’re “fudged” as they simply don’t match up with the moderated calls. In fact,,, don’t even think that Afshin is aware of it. The ONLY worthwhile thing about TI at this moment … IS the addition of the Forex room, but most importantly … the one who is moderating it – if only in contrast to what we have been served thus far. Happy Trading! Blessings All !!!

  15. Cliff Claven says:

    WELL I WAS GOING TO SIGN UP TODAY BUT THERES JUST TOO MUCH BAD STUFF ON THE INTERNET, PRETTY ANNOYED, I REALLY LIKED THE SOUND OF DALE. ANYWAY, THANKS.

  16. Cliff Claven says:

    I SHOULD SAY THAT I PROB LISTENED TO 3 LIVE BROADCASTS (THE LATEST YESTERDAY) AND DALE WAS USUALLY GOOD AND WINNING TRADES SO MAYBE HIS COURSE IS OK, LIKE I SAID JUST TOO MUCH DIRT ABOUT TI ONLINE FOR ME PERSONALLY.

  17. Mick says:

    I’m with Cliff. I was going to sign up today, but there’s too many negative reviews on the net and Steves reply which is longer than War & Peace sealed it. I wont be giving TI a cent.

  18. TxTryder says:

    Well Fellas, you’re probably doing the right thing by holding off, at least for now. As much as I’ve tried to believe the best in Traders International, with whom I’m already involved, that seems to be more and more a thing of the past, as they just seem to continue to disappoint particularly in the deception dept.

    Dale the Moderator of the “Signal” aka Pro Room continues to sink that ship, ever so slowly. Possibly his total lack of interest, and possible continued deception? You tell me! This afternoon, he was apologizing to his room that he was UN-able to project his charts blaming problems wth Omnovia (projection Co.) – leaving the continued dwindling membership of 36 traders in the room at the time to self-moderate and fend for themselves. However, at the same time … Dale was conducting the Sales Webinar and quite able to project charts? … Promising the world to prospective future business owners/traders.

    At some point in the Webinar, I believe he asked if they could trust him. Absolutely NOT !!! Think about it. He IS the primary reason for the Sinking of the Pro Room. Ask yourselves … WHY? … was he Yanked as Moderator and the Co. shutting that room down? And what once used to be a healthy room attendance, now down in the 40’s on regular basis. And by end of Webinar … guess what? Dale the Mod came back and was miraculously able to project charts again. As I said … Sinking Ship. Oh yeah, and only 26 left in the room by then.

    Now … in all fairness … I still believe that the Traders International method of teaching was originally sincere, especially as presented by Afshin, the CEO. I also personally believe that it is ONE (of a few) that is sound and viable as a method of learning. However, lately it has NOT being doing so well … much having to do with some staffing and/or mgt problems, as well as market conditions. But, the basic teaching in the Trading Room, formerly known as the 24-5 room, is stilll basicaly sound having healthy attendance approx 200.

    Possibly the MOST exciting thing about TI at the moment is the Forex Room, its Success but even more so … its Moderator, who is absolutely Fantastic. Is it worth the hefty price tag of over $7000 ??? Well … that depends on whether you are really interested and intending to go Forex or not? Right now … it makes an OK consolation prize for some of us who have already made the investment and want to salvage a little – – Provided we are willing to make the transition? Maybe …

    For those who are contemplating membership … maybe the best is to take a look again a little later on and test the temperature, when things smoothen out a bit, with the Market & the Co. Hope this helps …

    Blessings! … All

  19. TXTRYDERis an Asz says:

    Any sane person can tell that TXTrder is a disgruntled a**. Could Dale actually be the ANTICHRIST? And responsible for plagues and boils etc?

    He does the best he can and is a very intellegent trader. Maybe he was bound by perameters set before him prior to moderating.

    On and ON Little boy…keep crying wolf…..Eventually no one will listen.

  20. Mick says:

    Thanks for your thoughts TX. The problem I have is that I have a high investment knowledge for investing in the market in the long term, but not trading the short term and I want to take that next step so I can ditch the day job somewhere down the track.

    The next problem is that there are so many of these so called courses that promise the world, and I want to know which ones are delivering and which ones are not or are jsut scams, or worse still, are they all scams. (NB to Steve – Please dont reply, you are fair too volatile)

  21. Jim says:

    Yep I was with Traders international.
    Did nothing but loose.
    I feel it is a scam.
    I went to another online room and have made + weeks every now.
    I now feel like most here Rich and Dale can’t trade and are liers.

  22. Jack says:

    I have been a member of TI for a while now and have to admit that there is alot of misrepresentation in what they present. A few of them being:

    (1) Their emini results do not account for the spread of trading each contract which is 1/4 point. Therefore, if they make a point, it is actually 3/4 a point before comissions, and when they claim to be at break even, it is actually -1/4 point before commisions. They do not mention this to you during the webinars, do they?

    (2) The trading calls are erratic (far from the likes of the webinars). At one second, he is calling a trade, and the next second he says he is out with a -1/2 point loss although in real terms, the trade has already gone 1.5 points to the negative side. They manipulate the losses to their own benefit.

    (3) The tally at the end of the day is not accurate if you were to take all the trades in a live account.

    (4) The emini moderators do not trade live accounts. It just shows how well they trust their own money with the system. Trading is simulation also differs from trading a live account as if you do some research, the fills on simulation accounts are much better. Even brokers manipulate whatever they can to entice customers.

    (5) The emini trading room is privatized. There is no freedom of speech because they know many members are unhappy with the room.

    (6) There are a 100 or so members in the emini trading room. In the webinar, they claim they have had thousands of satisfied members. If the rooms were really making all those points, each of those 1000s members will still be in it.

    (6) The same goes for the Forex room. The spread is not accounted for in the live results. It adds up to about 400 pips per month on average (being very conservative). This means that if the profit for the month was recorded on the website as 1000 pips, it is actually only 600 pips in real terms if all called trades were taken live.

    The only thing keeping TI afloat is the Forex room. This is because of its moderator who is fairly respectable and decent and also that the room is netting a real, net positive tally at the end of the money. Although much less than what is posted on the website, still a consolation for the members who have already made the payments upfront.

    A couple of questions to ask yourself before considering joining:

    (1) Why are the moderators paper trading instead of live trading?

    (2) Why don’t they add the spread of the trades to the posted results?

    (3) Why don’t they unprivatize the room?

    (4) If you go for a webinar and are brought into the live room, ask the moderator of the webinar to ask the members what was their total MONTHLY NET profit instead of the number of points/pips earned the previous day. You will see the difference.

    It is clear from my post that I am not contented with my purchase of the TI system. I will be fair to TI by saying that the Forex room is working out for the time being and I give the moderator 4 stars for that. Although, the price that they charge is not worth what they offer, far from it. What would be reasonable for the rubbish that they give you? Probably $1000.

    I don’t even log in to the emini trading room anymore because I know how ridiculous it is. For those who plan on joining, my advice will be to stand aside for now. If it gets better in the future and you see more positive comments, then you might want to give it a shot. But for now, your money is best spent somewhere else.

    Notice that the only good comments are from Steve, who is undoubtedly a marketing member of the TI staff and whose words should be totally shelved.

    For those of you who do your due diligence, you choice on the matter should be clear. For those who do not, like myself, it would be better for you to join TI and learn a much deserved lesson on doing your research before making a commitment.

  23. LilaShay says:

    I have been with TI for almost a year……Do not spend your money in this ponzi scam.
    I will never understand why they let Dale Kazdan go. He was the only person I spoke to that was honest with me and my trading. Shame on TI.
    I have to tell you that Rich Malcom is the worst teacher I have ever heard. Boring and repetitive and I never understand what the heck he is saying. Plus I don’t think he does either. I have gone over all the stuff he has taught and it is not constant. He doesn’t know how to trade and I have listened intently to the man and he has no follow through. He says big words to make himself look smart but after awhile you see the crap under the fancy words..
    Oh and the Forex Room…..With barbie making calls and loosing her shirt and then lying about it and Afshin lying too. Really??? Who do you think we are? Suckers? Yeah I was but no more. I have heard that there is a class action lawsuite against TI. I hope TI gets what they deserve….
    Please do not give any money to this company…….They will tell you lies but don’t believe them….They are not true…..I know I did believe them and I am no more richer for it than when I started. If any one knows where Dale Kazdan went please let me know. He blows that company out of the water…He most likely quit and because of the lies too. You could hear it in his voice….

    See I am not mad just let down. The money I spent doesn’t effect my lifestlye on bit but I know there are people out there that really can’t afford to loose theirs. Beware and stay away from Traders International….

  24. Marie Krueger says:

    Comment Removed.

  25. Vahi says:

    Avoid Avoid Avoid

    H i, I joined TI since 2008 and after all other member said about TI ,I find up the real secret of TI business,
    Franz Shoar, founder of Bulls Eye Traders.com was a former partner of TI, Andrew Barnett and Peter Elsworth founder of TI in Australia they director of http://www.livetraderglobal.com and james mcintyre promoter of TI and owner of http://www.21stcenturyacademy.com/ now have a same auto making money system ?
    The Idea of all is to take tuition and monthly subscription fee to create strong cash flow income?
    Ask you self If TI was doing all right why all the sudden Andrew Barnett and peter Elsworth they left The TI but they create same system under difference name!!!! go to all above name website I see the signal result you will go crazy .
    Furthermore I provide you a link which you can see from TI website former moderator just Google their name you will find they all mostly been gone from TI and they create same system under some other name: have a look this webpage and you judge it http://aus.tradersinternational.com/content/blogsection/2/78/

    Overall Not Rated

  26. Raymond L. says:

    I took the TI course 8 months ago. I think now they shortened it up but they have added a FOREX room (I cannot comment on that because I have not been in that room). The trading room I traded in was excellent. I worked with two traders and they were very clear on the signals they called in the trading room. The first month I lost money but it was mostly because I did not do the simulation period they requested I do. I went straight to live money which was my fault. After a month I regained my losses and began to trade profitably. I am still learning to control my discipline. Anyway, I am very glad I took their course and it was well worth my time (and money). Raymond

    Overall

  27. Mike says:

    Message to Daniel: Been with Traders for sometime now. Doing extremely well – do it full time. Never heard this pitch. Always been told it takes time to become a good steady trader. They say it everyday in the trading rooms. How would you describe 53 points last month as the result of more bad calls than good ones? Totally crazy. 53 points = $2650 in profit for each $1000 contract you hold. If you traded half the time or took half the trades you would have made $1325 profit on your single $1000 contract. And if you re-invested your profits as we all do and built up your contracts with nothing more out of pocket and got to 5 or 10 contracts like we do, you would have made $6,625 on your 5 contracts ($5000) and $13,250 on your 10 contracts ($10,000). Pretty hefty profits I am sure any intelligent person would agree. What room were you in? For sure it wasn’t a TI room. Because they haven’t had a losing month since they started posting results in 2007 and long before that. So here’s the deal. You have told a provable lie. Where were you the last 3 years when TI has not had a losing month? If you were with Traders, took the course and got it down, went into simulation for a good 6 mos. before going live, followed what we are taught over and over and over in the rooms, there is no way you could have lost your stake if you had followed the rules and what is taught. No way. Not when TI has not had a losing month for the last 3 yrs. they have posted results and ditto the previous months.

    Overall

  28. Jerry says:

    Hi Rod… This post is so off the charts re: fact and truth that you just have to laugh. First, the entire signal system you learn is proprietary to Traders International. It is nowhere on the net and can only be found at Traders. If you were a member which you obviously aren’t you would know this. For 11 years Traders has been developing proprietary signals that allow it’s trader/members to know when a trade is shaping up before it has. What would you pay for a lifetime of being able to do this?? What would you pay to have top professional trader/moderators confirming the signal so you are ready to place the trade when the professional traders tell you to enter – and when to exit. I can’t put a price on this. What would you pay for life time support? The freedom to call the headquarters and ask any question you have and be responded to immediately? The freedom to email any of the professional traders and get their help and support? Freedom to email any of the professional traders and ask for personal one-on-ones if you need in depth help? A life time way to change your financial life with the best professional traders holding your hand all the way. What would you pay for that? Waking up everyday with peace of mind knowing you have an avenue where you have the opportunity to provide for your family beyond anything you dreamed and to do the things you find important in life? You know the old cliché. You get what you pay for. And in this case what you get for as long as you trade including all course updates for free is so far beyond the price charged it could be 10 times the amount and still not be close to what you actually get. If you are going to post, don’t make yourself look like your brain isn’t working. At least know what you are talking about which you don’t. And might be a good thing for you to remember Traders International has been in business for 11 years, now in 14 countries and growing, thousands and thousands of members, recognized and gotten awards by top bus/stock publications as a top emini training company. Are these top mags all publishing lies? Of course they aren’t. Get a grip Rod.

    Overall

  29. Jim says:

    This one’s for Dogmxxx. There are going to be some responses to the negative posts as some of us Traders International members have just become aware of them. Every pancake has 2 sides. These particular negative posts have no basis or truth to them when you get the facts that are not made up but are real and proveable. There will always be people on the internet who do nothing but post negatively on various chat boards often because they have a hidden agenda – ie wanting to start their own competing business. So here is the truth. Everyone treats day trading as a daily cash flow business to pay their bills and replace or enhance their other income, NOT as a long-term investment and compounding for 9 years. This person has no idea what intraday trading is all about and is doing his calculation based on 9 years long term investment??? This person obviously is not a Traders International member and has no clue about the live results achieved in the trading room. On average, the trading room has been generating 1, 2 or more points a day. One point is $50 per contract and a minimum of $1000 is needed to trade each contract. With the minimum of $1000 margin, one point is about 5% ROI. If you catch 2 points with the same criteria, it will be 10%. Making 1 or 2 points a day IS realistic. The higher the margin the better from a money management stand point. There are many people who are making a good money trading the e-minis with TI. That is why their trading room is the largest in the world. I have been a member myself for a year now and chose the Traders International program after several years of research. Here are some of the main reasons I decided on Traders International. 1) They have been in business for 11 years. You can’t stay in business around the world for that long if thousands of people have not gotten successful with the Traders International program. Would be impossible. 2) They have been written up and recognized by top business and stock publications which none of the other companies offering courses have behind them. Third party affirmation and verification. 3) They do business in the United States, Canada, United Kingdom, Spain, Australia, Israel, Malaysia, Denmark, Iceland, Norway, Singapore, South Africa, Sweden and Switzerland. 4) They post their month end results on their site which no other company does. I trade every day for the whole trading session and keep a journal of all trades so I know the accuracy of the posted month end results. 5) They have not had a losing month since I have been following them starting in 2007. 6) The level of support Traders International offers and gives is unprecedented. No other company comes close. There is no limit to it. As much and as often and for as long as you want it. Email access to some of the best professional traders in the business for help. The ability to call the headquarters and get immediate support. The ability to set up one-on-one sessions with the professional traders for any help or support you need. No time limit. Unlimited help and support. 7) Proven results results results from around the world for 11 years.

    Overall

  30. Penny says:

    A RESPONSE TO STUART: This is total nonsense. No where, no time, not ever has such a claim ever been made from this company and I have been with them for a long time. If you are right produce any document to prove it. When I joined Traders International they made it clear that they do not have a refund policy for the tuition after taking their training. Why would they give you your money back after you had all the goods. It’s right in the agreement. I read and signed the agreement including their no refund policy and you had to have signed the same agreement if you really purchased the course. You probably didn’t bother to read it before signing so consider it a lesson learned. Never sign anything before reading what you are signing. It is really obvious that you have fabricated what you wrote – otherwise called a lie – because now you know you signed an agreement that makes it clear there are no refunds and you didn’t read it. You’re angry at your own stupidity so you try to attack a company for your own mistake. Many thousands of people have and are succeeding with Traders International. It’s unfortunate you aren’t one of them but that is your choice.

    Overall

  31. Dogmxxx says:

    Garbage. Lets look at the 5-10% returns / day and the power of compound returns. Starting capital = $1000. If a (daily) 1% return could be sustained for (just less than) 9 years, then $1000 would grow to $50 Trillion dollars. (About the total value of all the property in the USA in 2006). [ ] = (indicates “to the power of”). 1*10[4]*(1.01)x = 50*10[12] (1.01)x = 5*10[9] x = 2244(trading days) = 8.9 years. The claims that these scammers make are unrealistic and are lies.

    Overall

  32. stuart says:

    the sales pitch was for 2 hours a day make $500 a day or if not after two months of following their system get a refund. the refund is impossible to get i know 10 people who have tried with no success.

    Overall

  33. Rod says:

    Everything that you learn by joining Traders International for $7250 you can learn for free by searching the net. Then their huge monthly fees for trading room access is just another rip-off. If you want to make money and not lose it, stay away from these guys.

    Overall

  34. Daniel says:

    Not good. These guys sell the pitch that the market moves and its easy to play your move. The truth is its very hard to be a futures trader, and takes many years to even find out that its just not profitable, no matter how much “TI Training” you can handle. Been trying for over a year now to be profitable with Traders International. All I find is they have more bad calls than good ones, and my account has all but vanished. Would not recommend anyone part with $9K NZ to learn how to trade eminis with TI. There’s plenty of information out there for free. Don’t fall down the same sales pitch trap I did.

    Overall

  35. joe says:

    joined back in feb 09. tried my best to do everything right. when i finished course, went to their trading rooms. took a while to get it down. have had mediorce results at best. watch charts all day, see big 5,10,15 point and more moves, and never have calls to get in them. when there is a call you try to scratch out 1 or 2 points. always seem to give it right back with the next call. would not join if i had it to do over again.

    Overall

  36. DEAN says:

    i was a traders international member , i am very unhappy with my purchase , their results posted on their website are colorful to say the least , they target newbies to the industry and work on aggresive sales and marketing , i have spoken to quite a few ti members and i am yet to meet 1 who is happy . $ 7250.00 is just the start of the expence , then another $250 + per month to listen to a so called pro trader massage his own ego . the newbie room moderator is great with traders starting out , but not worth the price of admission.

    Overall

  37. Beltrum says:

    I took this course a little over six months ago. This is the only course i have ever taken so i don’t have much to compare it against. Pros: room access time, support, depth of knowledge of traders, lastly the methodology works quite well when combined the entries with the risk management.

    Cons: cost, they made it seem easier than what it was.

    Overall, it was a great course that taught me how to trade and i would say fairly well. I am still new to trading so i have a lot more to learn but i am making progress every month when i stick to the signals they give me and i implement the risk strategies(hardest part. I have not quit my job yet but if my trading continues the way it is i plan on leaving before winter holidays. I recommend this course to anyone who is interested in trading. Just remember,, you get out what you put in.

    BV

    Overall Not Rated

  38. Roman says:

    I’m retired (small pension) and wonder if there exist a solid program so I can make a better living.Thankful for every useful hint!

    All the best!

    Overall Not Rated

  39. Sandy says:

    I took the Forex course at TI. I have been a member for 5 months. I did not pay $7500 but rather 5k. I have been profitable for 3 out of the 5 months. First two months I was simulation. Erica is a very good trader and calls winners consistently. I was able to watch her trade in the webinars a few times to see if she could really trade. When I am in her room there are usually 150 people. I have a hard time believing that they are not all making money. All you do is take the trades she calls. That is pretty much it. I don’t know anything about the emini room.

    Sandy K.

    Overall

  40. John says:

    Thxs for all your opinions guys. My wife and I were going to join…but no more. Thxs,if it sounds too good……you know the rest.
    Buyer beware.

    Overall Not Rated

  41. Alve E. says:

    Done for the month. Now I am going for the weekend to the beach. I have paid for my course several times with this first two weeks at Traders International. This is a very great course and the Spanish speaking room is a blessing.

    Alve, Spain

    Overall

  42. wookie says:

    Traders International are only ‘analysts’ and only ‘marketers’ who sell indicator-based systems using ‘hyped’ returns but provide no ‘hard evidence’ to back it up. They use facebook/twitter to market what others are saying ‘but’ they avoid/never talk about their own personal trading – because it does not exist. I personally have asked the hard questions which keep getting ignored. The CEO Afshin, Lachlan Elsworth and staff at Traders International do not all trade what they teach/preach with their own ‘personal’ money. They ‘use/steal’ ideas/screen shots from their members/other traders, see what’s working at the time, and then come up with systems and they take the credit for it. The moderators ‘live’ trade using a ‘test’ account, however, none of them trade with their own personal money on what they teach. Traders International do not ‘walk the talk’. Do not believe the hype – ask the two most important questions you can ever ask anyone who makes ‘bold’ statements about returns and/or tries to sell you a product – Q1. do they actually trade what they preach? Q2. if yes, ask them to show you the evidence of all their trade’s ’screen shots’ and their personal ‘live account statements’ to confirm their ‘so-called’ returns? If they do not show you this – ‘walk away’ and save your hard earned money to learn from someone who actually does walk the talk and can ’show’ you the evidence to backup their ‘hyped’ returns! I have been trading for ‘five’ years my own personal signal/system which is only ‘price action’ based – with ‘no’ indicators because all indicators ‘lag’. Stay away from trading education companies who try to sell you a trading system with ‘indicators’. All indicators ‘lag’ and there is ‘no’ consistency in profit returns over the ‘long term’ when trading off indicators – I know this because I have been backtesting for ‘five’ years trying all sorts of indicators. ‘Price action’ alone is ‘king’ – when you know how to read price action ‘only’ – then you will start to trade successfully and will ‘never’ need to use any indicators again! Stay ‘away’ from Traders International. There are better trading education companies out there who charge a lot ‘less’ and also do ‘not’ charge for access to their trading rooms – however you should never ’shadow trade’ from trades called by any trading room – otherwise you will never be an independent trader. Do your ‘thorough’ due diligence before parting with your ‘hard-earned’ money!

    Overall Not Rated

  43. Hey John Ford ,how is your paper trading 10 cars a day going? Hey Kazden how is your egomanic diesease going? Afshin do you like driving those shiny cars from stealing from newbies? Malcom your Fib bullshit is bogus,anyone in the industry knows that.
    You will pay for you deceit.

    Overall

  44. Bob says:

    Please to all people out there do not trust those positive comments they are all made up and have nothing to do with the true face of TI!They are full on scammers and should be investigated by ASIC or any legal law institution …Do not waste any time on this mob they are criminals and should be exposed and prosecuted to the full extent of the law

    Overall Not Rated

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